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Dove World Outreach Center – This is Christianity? God Help Us

Posted by politicalmonkey2010 on July 23, 2010

Isn’t it wonderful to know that religious extremists are not confined to any one group?  Isn’t it wonderful to know that in the USA we have freedom of speech, freedom of expression applicable even when the speech is vile and ignorant?  Isn’t it wonderful to know that when a hategroup masquerades as a Christian group they have the right to do so?

This morning over my coffee I like to have choked and died of embarrassment, I kept hoping the earth would open up and swallow me so I didn’t have to explain this story that has reached across the world.  My embarrassment quickly turned to disgust.

Here’s the story in a “nut”shell – Dove World Outreach Center is promoting a national burn the Koran day on 9/11.  (http://www.doveworld.org/) They have even put up a facebook page (http://www.facebook.com/pages/International-Burn-A-Koran-Day/134718123226530?v=wall)

I urge all Americans, all Christians to contact these people, let them know this is not the behavior of somebody who professes to be a Christian or an American.   These are actions that incite and promote hatred.  This is  not  the message of Christian love,  this is not what Jesus taught.  He taught us to live a spiritual and ethical life based on our essential and inherent goodness.

Islam and Christianity and are the two largest religions in the world today. Jesus and Mohammed  are two individuals that have changed the world forever.  While we like to argue about who was “right”, what we cannot argue with was their message.  Their message was and is virtually the same, it is a message of  love, peace, and forgiveness.

There are two thoughts of tolerance and love… I want to leave you with today..

The first is from The Prophet Mohamed (pbuh) said, “Ruined are those who insist on hardship in faith,”

The second is from the Gospel of Matthew 5:9

Blessed are the peacemakers for they shall be called the children of God.

***UPDATE*****

On a whim I filled out their contact us form..and really not expecting a reply I got one..so I apologize for the off handed initial email…makes for a good read tho…

remember that email address is:  info@doveworld.org

On their contact form I told them

sent a message using the contact form at http://www.doveworld.org/contact.

Don’t you dare call yourselves Christians and pervert MY God! It is groups like you full of hate that will be responsible for the decline of the USA, shame on you.  A bunch of cowards.
May God truly have mercy on your ignorance.
They responded with:

From: Dove World Outreach Center <info@doveworld.org>
Sent: Fri, July 23, 2010 9:13:33 PM
Subject: Re: [General] burn the koran day
Sounds like the same anger that was in the Pharisees. They hated and killed Jesus, remember?

We are sure these resources will be of further help to you, especially the blog: Ten Reasons to Burn a Koran @ iiotd
Resources:
Our Websites:
In the News, Protests, Sermon and Radio Podcasts, Blog
The book, blog, products
Dr. Terry Jones, Senior Pastor
Dove World Outreach Center
5805 NW 37th St
Gainesville, FL 32653
(352) 371-2487
I responded with:
Your bible doesn’t have the part in it about ..Blessed are the peacemakers for they shall be called the children of God?
Or that doesn’t apply to you because?????
They said:
From: Dove World Outreach Center <info@doveworld.org>
To: Poltical Monkey
Sent: Sun, July 25, 2010 4:09:14 AM
Subject: Re: [General] burn the koran day

Sir, you cannot pick and choose from the Bible. God does not change and he will not be mocked.

We are sure these resources will be of further help to you, especially the blog: Ten Reasons to Burn a Koran
and
We hate the Koran! @ iiotd
Resources:
Our Websites:
In the News, Protests, Sermon and Radio Podcasts, Blog
The book, blog, products
Dr. Terry Jones, Senior Pastor
Dove World Outreach Center
5805 NW 37th St
Gainesville, FL 32653
(352) 371-2487
I responded with:
Sir,
Who is cherry picking?  This burn the Koran Day is reeking of the beginning of Nazi Germany and the burning of books.  This is a deliberate provocative action, you want to illicit what response?  How would you respond if somebody burned the bible?  I resent as a Christian that you are hiding behind the name of Jesus Christ and hijacking Christianity.  You are making it a hateful religion.  You are perverting  it.  You are correct God does not change.  The God of Christians is the same God of Moslems, and how dare you assume to speak for God?
There is a time when whether you like it or not that a constructive dialogue must be opened, if you were to open this dialogue you would find that there is a great deal of common ground between Islam and Christianity.
If you want to show Christians as ignorant, hate filled people, you are on the right track.  If you want to show the rest of the world that America was not a country built on freedom of religion and worship, then you are on the right track.
Let me ask you this…you hold your book burning, and you incite hatred in the name of God, and somebody is hurt or worse, will this achieve your objective?  Can you live with that?
They have not responded..but I was not deterred, seems that there are even more problems for the Dove World Outreach Center, so I thought it was my duty to call it to their attention…I sent the following, and no response to date has been received…I think I must be off their Christmas card list..
Dude –
I think you are using the Reader’s Digest version of the Bible, and you are missing some passages, like this one:
Jesus said to them, “Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.” And they marveled at him. Mark 12:17

(I then inserted this article -http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/28/dove-world-outreach-cente_n_662450.html#)
Which included comments etc, because it takes so long to load, I will not insert it here, obviously you are welcome to go to the above link to read all the comments..

Members of a church in Gainesville, Florida are planning to commemorate the anniversary of the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11, 2001 by burning Korans. The “International Burn A Quran Day,” is just the latest in anti-Islamic protests that the Dove World Outreach Center holds each year on 9/11.

“The goal of these and other protests are to give Muslims an opportunity to convert,” said the church’s pastor, Terry Jones.

The church stirred up controversy last year when in July, they put out signs that read “Islam Is Of The Devil,” which is also the title of the pastor’s book.

“We are definitely trying to send the message that Jesus Christ is the only way, said Jones.

The church has been known for its controversial nature since it was founded by Jones in 1981. The Dove World Outreach Center has also been very outspoke about abortion, gay marriage and homosexuality. Members of the congregation plan to meet on August 2 to protest the election of Gainesville’s first gay mayor. They have come under scrutiny in the past for picketing with signs that said “No Homo Mayor.”

If protesting wasn’t enough controversy for the church, it has also recently become the subject of investigation over its alleged for-profit enterprise. Jones uses the church as a tax-exempt business and makes profits from its unpaid members in various practices, including merchandising and eBay sales.

dude read the rest of your fan mail

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22 Responses to “Dove World Outreach Center – This is Christianity? God Help Us”

  1. Andrei Gravura said

    I do comment on blogs – not to leave a digital footprint – which of course is good, but because I really appreciate all the time and effort someone goes through to post useful information. Which by the way, you offer great insight into this. Thanks!

  2. Alden said

    We must move past the hate…it is uneducated people like those of the Dove World Outreach Center who cause extremism and violence. God teaches us in all of his books (Torah, Bible, and Kur’an) to treat others as we would like to be treated. There is no prophet who would preach this hate, nor should anybody follow any person who does so, to do so is to take the side of evil…of hate. The people who operate this “church” support hate and therefore evil…obviously in pursuit of the almighty dollar. God will judge them, we should all just pity them and be prepared to support them when they fall as God wills it.

    • Alden, I cannot agree more. Perhaps the thing that is most alarming to me is that this story, is not just a local story, not just a story in the US, it has made international headlines. In this age of instant information, our actions, and reactions are immediately accessed by everybody. It becomes a a sticking point, just as there are folks who like to say all Muslims are terrorist, with this Koran burning there are folks on the other side saying Christians and Americans are not these “love filled freedom loving people” they claim to be. Our actions or lack of action, lack of not speaking up and saying this is wrong have consequences far beyond our neighborhood. Thank you for your input.

    • richard ford said

      The problem is not that they are uneducated, but that they are either poorly educated or wrongly educated. If you take the time to talk with someone of this ilk, you will find that they have their “facts” [correct or not] in order — it’s not a knee-jerk reaction but a considered, although incorrectly, position. All prophets have preached a negative aspect to their message; call it “hate” if you want, but [to them and their followers] it is a “good thing”, something positive and from God, which separates “us” from “them.” Even your statement, in a very mild way, tends towards that — “they” have a message of hatred, “we” have a message of tolerance [or something else positive]. It’s that old “oil and water” metaphor — shake them together in a jar, and they will eventually separate. It doesn’t mean that anyone has to despise or kill the “other”; just that there *is* an “other.” As an Orthodox Christian, I do not see myself as part of the surrounding culture, just different from it. God alone judges righteous judgment — if I agree with Him, that’s one thing; if I make it up as I go along, on my own, that’s another. And this is what we have here — the average Muslim, at least the ones I know, are very nice people [the same goes for the average Mormon, Jew, athiest or whatever]. What bothers me is that small percentage of ANYONE GROUP that somehow or another wants to kill me or otherwise get in my way while I am attempting to live the best life I know how to live.

      • Richard, I meant to ask you this, and since I am nosy and know no boundaries…define for me an Orthodox Christian. Do you mean Greek Orthodox? I always like to have a “source” to go to for questions..

      • richard ford said

        I don’t think there is a concise answer to that question, but from my perspective I refer to the Miaphysite Eastern Church which accepts the first 3 Ecumenical Councils and rejects those from Chalcedon forward. They all share the same beliefs although some local customs differ, as summed in the Nicene Creed [minus the addition known as the “Filioque” which was added by the Western Church (Rome) in 589]. The tendency is to change very little, very slowly — there is nothing more to come, no new Scriptures, no new Prophets, no new Revelations. Our understanding may change, but what has been established does not change — except for heresies, that is… Orthodox jurisdictions trace a line of Apostolic Succession back to the original Apostles, the Antiochian Church to Peter in Antioch [Acts 10]. The Greek Church, as well as the Russians, Ukrainian, etc are very much “ethnic” even though they are Orthodox in doctrine and theology. I hope that helps!

  3. jesus was a muslim, if he were here today and you shouted jesus he would not know who you were talking too cause he nrver hur that name in his life time, nor did he here the word christian. these were the names your enemies gave you, and on that day the day in which there is no doupt you christians will say lord lord did we not proficy in thy name and do all these works in thy name then he will turn to you christians and say get away from me you workers of enequity you vipers for i never knew you. only relion in the world that does things in the name of jesus is christianity so he’s talking to you christians.he’s telling you your doing it wrong. and the reason we say jesus was a muslim the jews persicuted jesus kind of like what they are doing to the muslims in palistine today.WE ARE GOING TO BE THE ONLY RELIGION THAT WILL STAND BEFORE GOD AND SAY WE HELD YOUR COMMANDMENTS TO THE LETTER. AND WERE NOT WORRIED ABOUT YOUR BURNNING OF THE QURAN ALLAH WILL GET THAT BROTHER.IF YOU DESTROYED EVERY QURAN ON EARTH WE WOULD BE ABLE TO WRITE IT AGAIN JUST FROM MEMORY. HOW MANY CHRISTIANS CAN DO THAT. WELL GOT TO GO ASSULAAMU LAIKUM. OH YEAH AND TELL THAT BROTHER TO BE SAFE ALOT OF PEOPLE ARENT GOING TO REACT THE WAY I DO

    • Muhammeed, thank you for your response. You have brought up alot of points, and I would very much like to engage in an open dialogue, one based on civility, respect and understanding. We can all argue about what makes us different, can we focus on what we share? Instead of saying God is on our side, can we both not agree that the real question is are we on God’s side? These people are not Christians, they certainly do not represent me nor do they represent any other Christian I associate it. There are people on both sides who will take a religion and pervert it, twist it, hide behind it and use it as an outlet for their hatred. If you want to open up a conversation, I am more than willing. I would hope that I and anybody who reads this blog will walk away a much better person…are you willing?

    • richard ford said

      Jesus was JEW — Islam did not have it’s origin until somewhere after 600 years of His physical life. How can you say He was a Muslim? Are you being ironic or ignorant? In Aramaic His name is “Ishu”, in Hebrew it “Yeshuah” — In English my name is “Richard” but I recognize “Ricardo” and “Ricard” or even “Rashid” — what is your point here? Your logic is lacking, your words are scrambled and your sentiments are grossly mis-placed. Jesus was Jew who lived 600+ years before your prophet Muhammad [uwbp] was even born — the Christian Church is the result of His ministry on earth, for good or bad, and regardless of how far that Church has strayed it can be traced back to Him and His ministry. Get over it — regardless of anything else, Islam is a “Johnny-Come-Lately” religion. No one in their right mind would date Islam before the prophet Muhammad! You are being reactionary here — if you think that the only religion to stand before God is Islam, you are in for a big surprise.

      • Richard, maybe Muhummad will respond…but in the meantime, this idea of Jesus being a Muslim is really a bit fascinating – it is more theological in nature, bear with me. To be Muslim, means to submit to the will of Allah – God. In the truest sense of the word Jesus did exactly that…”Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done.” Luke 22:42. And you may be interested in knowing that for Muslims, the verse “When the Counselor comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father, he will testify about me.(John 15:26) The word Counselor has been translated differently depending on which version of the bible you use – Advocate, Comforter, Paraclete. This passage for Muslims fits into to the idea that Jesus prophecied the coming of Muhammad.
        Finally, I do not think English is Muhammed’s (the responder) first language – so please take that into consideration, that means he knows at least one more language than his native tongue, and for that I applaud him.

      • richard ford said

        My Buddhist friends tell me Jesus went to India and studied Buddhism during His “lost years”; my friends who are Ceremonial Magicians tell me he studied Magick and I’ve also heard that He was really this or really that or something else. If I misread Muhammed, then I hope he will accept my most sincere apology for doing so. I do not speak Arabic but I can read Greek and Syriac well enough — many words have more than one English meaning: Parakletos means both “one who comforts” and “advocate”; context determines which is more appropriate. Muslim means “to submit”, but in that case I would be a Muslim as well. Odd enough, as a verse in the Qu’ran [not sure where] says that Oriental Christians are “people of the Book” — now if I can only get my Buddhist friends to claim me as one of theirs! Peace and blessings to all.

  4. gento said

    jesus or isa in islam is a part on the islam history too,young prophet Mohammed s.a.w ever meet a Christian priest and he said “you’ll be a part of the word when you grow up,and the parents will give your name as the name of their sons” that’s much explains that islam and Christian got an strong relation. at the first arrival of islam in jerusalem,the khalifa refuse to shalat(pray) inside the sepulchre in order to prevent converting that church into mosque in future so the relation can keep goin’,and at end of 2nd crusade,Salahadin(saladin) not kills anybody inside Jerusalem when they lose at the battlefield. what is more important than we can walk together in search of the goodness for people together in peace?

    • richard ford said

      “…what is more important than we can walk together in search of the goodness for people together in peace” I am all for it. I would never try to “convert” a Jew, a Muslim, or anyone else who is satisfied with their religion, although I am always open to explain mine. Who am I to judge another man’s servant? If you don’t like the way that I pray, I’m not praying to you to begin with — and the same goes both ways. My older brother thinks that Muslims “pray funny” but Antiochian Christians make prostrations as well. We make the Sign of the Cross from right to left, which resulted in more violence than you would believe possible from something so small [same with the “3 finger” Vs “4 finger” controversy]. Let’s just leave everyone alone unless they ask for our advice.

  5. Shane said

    Though this man and his ilk may belong to the “fundamentalist fringe element”, his kind easily become dangerous. We saw book burning 70-odd years ago in Germany and look what came out of that ideology. This man does not act or speak for Christians or even for Christ’s intention. His words are nothing but hate and fear cloaked in piety. The largest problem here is that he is taking things from speech to action – we must follow suit in opposition to this evil.

    • Thank you for your comment…I am in complete agreement.

    • richard ford said

      Book burning has happened ever since there were books to burn. It’s easy to burn a book, because a book will not fight back — you really want to make a statement, go after those who write books or who read books. You might not be so complacent when you do so… A book is like a flag or any other symbol — you go against it, it’s an object which puts up no resistance and you can safely make your point. You really want to be reactionary, go after a group of human beings, united in their beliefs [whatever they are], and you might get fired upon in response.

  6. richard ford said

    If some have “hijacked” and perverted Islam, which really doesn’t preach peace and love, millions more have done the same to Christianity, which is founded in peace and love. Hopefully the warring factions will kill each other off and leave the rest of us alone, and do it soon to lessen the “collateral damage.”

    • And I thought I was a cynic 🙂 But on a more serious note, there is nothing more dangerous than somebody believing “God is on our side”..and for the record Islam does preach peace and love.

      • richard ford said

        Cynic~! I was just stating the obvious — has it gotten that bad, really? The problem is that God usually is NOT on “our” side; He is on His side, and we line up of wander off, depending out our inclinations. I have several Muslim friends, and none of them preach anything hateful [although all of them are against “radical” Islam] — but the track record of Islam, as well as a good deal of the Qu’ran [like the “Old Testiment” of the Bible] is a blood-and-guts affair. Oddly enough, the “Net Testament” is full of peace-N-love, but the contemporary Christian Church is seething with wrath and negativity. You go figure…. It’s beyond me.

    • Roul said

      Amen to what you have said.

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  8. sunny said

    After hearing the burn of Koran .. I Decided to read the Koran for what is this book that they want to burn it??!!
    I read it and i felt comfort and peace of mind .. nice words convincingly supports all the prophets since Abraham, Moses and Jesus .. So because of this story that attracted me to read the Koran, now im thinking to convert to Islam submit my self to God, peace!
    http://www.quranexplorer.com/quran/

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